Is the Society of St. Pius X Schismatic? Andrew Bartel vs Jeff Cassman

May 9, 2022

What's the difference between being "wrong" and being "schismatic"?

Is SSPX schismatic? That’s what will be debated today between two traditional Catholics, one currently a part of the Society of St. Pius X, the other formerly. If you’ve wondered about this topic, this interesting debate is for you!

  • Opening Statements: 15 mins each
  • Rebuttals: 10 mins each
  • Cross-Examination: 10 mins each
  • Audience Questions: 30 mins
  • Closing Statements: 5 mins each


Andrew Bartel is a lay Dominican of the Province of the Most Holy Name of Jesus. He lives with his wife and their three children in Montana where he works as a glazier. Andrew was a lifelong adherent of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X until 2013.

Jeff Cassman is a former Air Force Intelligence Analyst and a predictive behavioral modeling expert for an ad agency in Nashville, TN. He’s a cradle Catholic and first attended a traditional Latin Mass in 2000. He later studied theology at Holy Apostles, and he is a co-founder of Catholic Men of America. Jeff has been married to high school sweetheart, Sarah, for 27 years and they have homeschooled their 14 children, now ages 3 to 26.


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